Punya interviews Nisarg on her favourite subject: Human Design. Part one is about finding our own inner authority to become more relaxed and centred.
You have been studying, practising and teaching Human Design for over 15 years. Why did you get hooked? And why do you like to teach it?
Because it has helped me tremendously – in a very simple and practical way – to click into place with myself. I feel I am now at home in myself, in a relaxed, easy way. No big deal; less in my mind, more in my body – more present with myself and whatever is happening in my life. I’m not so much wondering and worrying about what I should do, or why something is the way it is, or that something should be different. What I should do better, how to work on myself (“I am not a good meditator”) and whatnot… All the pressure went away. I feel as if a piece of a puzzle slotted into place. After a long time of doing a lot of work on myself, a lot of therapy and meditation – again and again I would have the experience of being at home and feeling, “Wow, nice, I had a moment of rest from this mind,” but then again it would come back and the whole thing would start again. Now I am just simply ‘being here’. That was what I was looking for when I came to Osho.
What were you told in the first Human Design sessions you had received?
What I was told, and what I liked so much, was this: that I belong to a certain type. There are altogether 4 types (that already does not sound so nice for the mind!) Each type has a certain key (also called Strategy) which when applied, puts us in touch with our true nature, and gives a hint how we can be guided from within, moment to moment to moment. If we are with ourselves in this way we feel OK, wherever we are, with whom we are and whatever we are doing. We know that, just now, it is exactly right.
Did this key work immediately or did you have to work on it?
No, it didn’t work immediately, but it immediately created space in my life. With this key I entered a process of an internal re-correction, as if something slowly slowly became aligned. I was no longer wobbling around all the time as I used to, but became more stable and grounded in myself. In the space that was created, a lot of unnecessary clutter started falling away. It was not because I was directly working on something – I actually stopped working on anything. It was really only that.
I will not go into what my key is because it is irrelevant here. There are different types and different people have different keys. But the bottom line is, for me: when I saw how it helped me – amazingly – I said to myself, “My God, if it works for me, and it is so simple, it must be working for other people also.” That is the reason why I then became interested in actually learning it and becoming a teacher, so that I could pass it on to other people, so that they could also have the possibility of experiencing that. And many do.
I have heard that there a 4 main types in Human Design: Generators, Projectors, Manifestors and Reflectors. Aren’t we again putting ourselves in a box?
Yes, that is a very good question. That can very easily happen and, in fact, it does happen a lot. I know many Human Design analysts, teachers and people who are studying Human Design, people who know a lot more than I do because you can study on and on; it is an enormous body of knowledge; it is fascinating, it is logical, it is amazing for the mind…. I know many people who have acquired this system, studied it and use it, and then put it on top of everything they have learned before. They are now trying to somehow fit themselves into a new prison – that is now called ‘Human Design’. Maybe before it was Astrology or the Enneagram or something else.
When I teach, the first thing I say is: “Don’t believe what I say. It is not designed to be yet another belief system, but rather something that can be tested in a very simple and practical way. Try it out for yourself and if it works for you be careful not to become a prisoner of the system.”
I see the danger in all systems; there are many fantastic systems. Human Design came to me as a system; but it has helped me to become free of the many systems that I had acquired, learned and tried to live by as concepts. In fact, I never have to open up a book again, I never have to hear anything about Human Design again. I never have to think about what type I am again, because it has served me. It reminds me a little of Osho saying that you use a boat to get to the other shore but afterwards when you don’t need it any more, there is no need to carry it.
I remember, during a demonstration, you gave us a taste of experiencing the types. I think that was very useful for many of us. Can you talk about this?
That is exactly what I was trying to say. Maybe because of all the previous work with Osho, all the groups that I did and all the meditations, the Mystery School, and because I was trained in energy work, I understood pretty fast that Human Design is an energy map. It is a MAP. A map is there to help us get in contact with the real thing and not get stuck with the map.
My interest is to pass it on in such a way that it is not something that the mind can get excited about and take off with… burdened with one more thing; but that one can have an opportunity to have an Aha! experience, a Wow! – energetically, existentially.
That demonstration was only three hours long. Usually, when I do a workshop we have five days. And in those five days I introduce the types in an experiential and practical way, the way you experienced it. I also go on a journey through the centres, nine energy centres, not seven. On that journey I can show people in which way we have been conditioned away from ourselves. In which way we have developed a false identity and have learned to trust and give more authority to this false identity rather than to who we really are.
The most important and most valuable aspect that Human Design can offer is to show us who we really are and who we are not. We are not who we believe we are, are conditioned to be – what Osho called the ego.
I always tried to understand, What exactly is the difference between my ego and who I really am? Human Design helped me to clearly see this. The chart shows us who we are, who we are not – but think we are. And then it gives the key that creates a bridge so that we can find a way to get back to who we truly are – without spending unnecessary time doctoring around in all these places – seen as open, uncoloured-in centres – where we are attached; but which have nothing to do with us.
If you want to study Human Design, it is fascinating, it is a lot of knowledge – but to actually use it as a help to get in better contact with yourself is very simple. That was what attracted me more than anything, the simplicity. When I say ‘simplicity’, everybody says, “Oh my god, but it looks so complicated!” When you look at it and you want to study it, it does look complicated at first. But to apply it, is very very simple.
In your workshops, as you said, you make people experience themselves in a group. Can you explain?
I basically create a setting in which the participants gather into groups according to their type and, since they are separate from the others, they can experience what it feels like to click into the frequency of their own type.
There is a million different Generators and Projectors, etc., but just by belonging to the same type they have a certain frequency that connects them all to each other. And to connect with that particular frequency is an incredible help to actually fall into place with oneself. The difference shows itself when someone begins to live according to their inner guide, when they begin to let themselves be guided by their true inner nature, what in Human Design is called Inner Authority. This is the place that the participant can get in contact with.
You then also instructed the individuals of the various groups to interact with each other.
In those three hours you just got a taste, but in a group lasting five days, we first set things up so that each type can have an experience about themselves, separately from the others. Then other types can actually experience, “Wow, they are really different!” Because when we are mixed up, we would not even notice the difference, but we influence each other. So the first step is, How can I recognize myself as myself, separate from the other? And then the next question is: How can we live together, work together, communicate, relate with each other, with the different types in a way that is fitting? We usually don’t! How can we live together so that we honour and respect ourselves but also the other in their difference? And that is what in the end it’s all about. Because nobody lives alone. Just to understand that the other is of a different type than me and to have experienced in which way they are different, what is their special gift, is an enormous help. Also in relationships.
Does it help to make better decisions if you know your Inner Authority?
That is what it’s all about. As I’ve already said, if you know to which type you belong, then you know what your key is – I call it ‘key’ or ‘strategy’. When you apply it, it brings you in contact with this place of inner authority. And this place of inner authority is the place designed to be, we could say, your inner guide or inner compass, your inner navigation system. It is the place which is designed to tell us moment to moment which way to move, what is right for us, what is not right for us just then… where to be, when, what to do, with whom, how long. The connection with the inner authority centres us. We are home. And from there comes the next step and then the next. And slowly the grip of the mind, that usually runs our show, becomes less and less strong. We get to experience what it feels to be whatever we all have been looking for with Osho, surrendered to our own unique life flow. To be guided by it, and to be connected with the whole, and to be secure.
What I found valuable in Human Design is that there is this strategy, this key that one can just test. It can put you in contact with yourself in such a way that you get to experience what it feels like when what you really are, lives and expresses itself. And this makes you feel relaxed, gives you a sense of satisfaction, a sense of “wow”, fulfilment, a sense of … “Yes, that feels really good.” It feels as if I am doing what I am supposed to be doing. It is almost like there is such a thing as destiny – and so I love to pass Human Design on to others, as I’ve found it so valuable..
We each have certain experiences in our life. Some people need to travel to Africa, some people to India, some to America, some can stay their whole life in one place. It doesn’t really matter. But all of us are here in this body for a certain amount of time to gather experience, to gather consciousness. When I think of my life now, I feel I am not different from when I remember myself as a four-year-old. I am the same girl. What has changed is that my awareness has expanded through all the different kinds of experiences I have had.
What Human Design is offering is a simple key that gives me the opportunity to be sure that the experiences I enter into are really the right ones for me, that I am not unnecessarily suffering and putting my physical body in jeopardy. I experienced, within myself (and I’ve seen that it happens with many people), that if I am wasting, spending my energy doing stuff that I am not supposed to be doing (because I am not in contact with my own rhythm, my own flow) I am doing things which are not right for my body. By the time I am 40 or 50 I can get all sorts of ailments. What I discovered for myself is that I have become younger, I have became healthier and more relaxed. Certain ailments that already started when I was getting older, began to go away.
I learned to use my physical body in a healthier way, a more fitting way. If you imagine your body as a vehicle, a car, then most people are over-driving it or under-driving it. Stressing it too much. Whenever we make a mental decision we force our body and our energy to do stuff that it might not be ready to do. And then we suffer the consequences…
If the body is relaxed… and here I also hear Osho who has often spoken about being relaxed… how important it is. That the body is the temple and needs to be relaxed. Then of course the soul, or whatever we want to call it, can also be more relaxed. In Human Design the soul is called the passenger. The body is the vehicle. The only thing we need to learn is to become a true passenger. And what is a good passenger in a car ? It is someone who is not continuously interfering with the vehicle, but is actually a good witness. He is here to look outside the window, What am I seeing as I am passing through? Where am I passing through?
In that sense many things in Human Design fit with what I had already been working on, what I learned through meditation and through listening to Osho for all those years: how to become a witness, how to stop being run by the mind, how to be more relaxed in the body, more trusting in life and moving with life. It gave me a key that allowed me to do that, more easily.
Part 2 of this interview: This feels exactly right!