Upchara Stephane Picard is being interviewed by the Croatian public TV channel, HRT 3, broadcast on November 25, 2019. She talks on an ‘experiential’ version of the Enneagram which she works with.
The interviewer, Krešimir Mišak, introduces Upchara to the audience: Stephane Picard has studied philosophy, is educated in Eriksonian hypnosis and leads therapy groups. She has participated in Essence work with Faisal Muqaddam and is a senior teacher leading seminars on Essence and the Enneagram, which is a part of this teaching.
Our theme this evening is the Enneagram. Good evening!
First question: How can we start if not asking, What is the Enneagram? Please introduce us to the Enneagram.
Q 2: What is the history of the Enneagram? When we go on the internet there are different variations. From where does it come from in ancient times and how has it become known in the present time?
Q 3: You have mentioned the psychiatrist! Is the Enneagram an ancient psychological technique or is it something more?
Q 4: In all of this, man is involved with his ego, which today is described in different ways, sometimes like an enemy, “I have to get rid of it,” etc. and on the other hand the ego is a programme which allows us to participate in life. From the perspective of the Enneagram, how do we see this structure, which is more cognitive and less psychological-emotional. When in the Enneagram we say “ego,” what is it and what do we need to do with it: kill it, dissolve it, dismantle or embellish it? What to do with the ego?
Q 5: We can say, it is about acceptance, like in the popular song: “I am, as I am”! So, we can talk about loving ourselves. How do we work with this instrument? We have this map, we have the descriptions of the 9 basic characters, and now, What do we do? From which angle do we begin? How can we find out which type we are? Perhaps somebody will be satisfied with knowing his number; he will recognize himself in it. It seems that everybody has something from every number but something is dominant, predominant.
Q 6: One example is enough! How is the Enneagram connected with the energy centres, with this map of a human being, with the chakras, etc., from the skin, the matter, the structure of the bones to the psychological form? In which ways are ennea-types connected with our energy centres in the body?
After Upchara has spoken about number 8: So these are the tough guys, having problems with thinking! Perhaps I am too severe!
Q 7: The arrows which are connecting the numbers in the Enneagram, what are they for?
Q 8: In which way can the Enneagram help us in everyday life? What is its practical meaning for our life?
“Know yourself!” but people have some practical purpose on their minds. You have mentioned that every number can be a prison but at the same time it has something positive. Give us some examples how we can see that some qualities can be like restrictions and in other cases can be something positive. Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde!
You just continue, Mr. Three!
So, I will choose a number; let’s say 8 or 9. Which one was the boss? What are his hidden qualities?
Q 9: It seems that the Enneagram is good for discovering our hidden talents and gifts. Many people have found gifts and talents in their lives, and we can also find people who feel that they have something, but haven’t yet discovered what it is exactly. It is obvious that this method can help us discover what we are good at. What are the possibilities of the Enneagram to discover the talent of a person which he can then sharpen?
Q 10: If we want to conclude this presentation of the Enneagram, can we say that these structures, these 9 models, are a sort of prison which are conditioning our behaviour, and that our behaviour causes expected outcomes – therefore making us rotate in circles – but that at the same time these models are the source of our talents?
Do things change automatically in our lives or how can we learn that? Through seminars? Is this a lifetime process? How can someone, with the help of the Enneagram, change his character from a prison to something which defines him and then gives him a possibility to develop in a different direction? How can people use the Enneagram?
So, it does not work like: “I came, I learned and now I know everything!”
Miss Picard, life will now surprise you: we have finished with our conversation! I know that you have lived and travelled in America and Canada and now live in Italy, so I wish you all the best until next time, goodbye!
U redu! is a greeting that solves all problems!
To the audience: Thank you for your attention and U redu! Different world traditions throughout thousands of years have preserved different maps which are painting the inner world of a human being in a symbolic way. Good night!